In Amsterdam, the only brave man in Europe is on trial for speaking the truth about fascist ideology ISLAM. I let the brilliant Pat Condell condemn this trial more eloquently than I ever could (Condell has a series of anti-fascism statements on YouTube, all worth listening to):
Yes shame on the Netherlands. It’s quite incredible that something like this could happen in a country formerly regarded as the vanguard of the free countries in Europe. We should be thankful, once again, that we live in Hong Kong.
I don’t know what exactly is going on there in the Netherlands, but it makes me feel very uneasy if he just goes on and on about the Islam, and how it should be forbidden, without mentioning that all the other religions aren’t any better. I do think Islam is a bad thing, but no worse than Christianity, and saying or implying that it is, is just hypocritical and will lead to more unfounded hatred and violence..
Do you mean Pat Condell goes on and on or Geert Wilders goes on and on?
Islam not worse than Christianity? How many christians are running around killing people because they “offend” them? For a start. Geert Wilders, the only guy who openly tells the truth about islam, has police protection 24 hours a day.
If islam wasn’t worse than all other religions - put together (and believe me, I detest all religions) - Wilders would neither be under police protection nor, for that matter, on trial!
I think fundamentalist Christianity is a far greater threat to world peace than Islam. Those fundamentalists rising in influence in the US are the real fascists, and they are likely to wield far more power than any armed Islamist group.
I can’t really remember the last time we had “world peace” but okay.
Take a map of the world. Look at where there is “unrest.” (You know, groups killing other groups because they’re not - what? Did I hear Muslims?) Then see what religious creed is involved. Always. But always.
Yeah, I know, the Americans invaded Afghanistan and Iraq.
Living in HK we don’t really see what’s going on in Europe but islamisation is gaining ground and fast. Just ask your relatives, Pete. I know it’s regarded as deeply politically incorrect to complain about how “they” are taking over neighbourhoods with their knee-length beards and non-body hugging disguises (do christians see the need to go around disguising their identity?) but take a trip to a middle to large size northern English town - I think you’ll find there are places where you won’t feel quite comfortable walking around.
It says in their book that we must be killed for not being them. They hold that book higher than the law in any country in which they’ve settled. If they don’t, they can’t call themselves real muslims. That’s enough for me.
You sure got big cojones Cecilie taking on Islamo-nazi’s in a public forum
Another great reason to live in Hk (not as though we need it but) - we dont have to put up with religious zealot’s
Personally i have given up on Western countries lack of will to keep out creeping Islamization of society - its a lost cause
That’s radical Islam, and most Muslims don’t follow it; nor are most Christians fundamentalists (thankfully).
Unrest: Tibet, Northern Ireland, Rwanda, Sri Lanka, Colombia, no Muslims involved.
I think all this Islamophobia is a result of the end of the Cold War. We need some kind of enemy, and the Russians don’t cut it any more, so we have to invent a new one.
Pete: I know most muslims don’t follow it. But they are bound by their “religion” to follow it, and when push comes to shove, they must. For as well as us infidels. muslim supremacists are also hard at work killing other muslims who don’t agree with them or who leave the faith. Or talk to boys, refuse to marry octogenarians etc. They all know what’s in that book, and it’s death, death and death again if they don’t submit. In fact, “islam” means submission, and that means taking everything in that book at face value. You should go online and check out what the imams are saying in full publicity.
The prime minister of Turkey, Erdogan expressed it like this: “Speaking at Kanal D TV’s Arena program, PM Erdogan commented on the term “moderate Islam”, often used in the West to describe AKP and said, ‘These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”
Source: Milliyet, Turkey, August 21, 2007″
He couldn’t have put it much clearer. And if you insist on going down that comparison road: How many people in the world today are currently under 24 hour police protection, hiding from christian fundamentalists?
Bob: Wilders is the brave one, not me. And isn’t this the thing at the root of all the bending over backwards the various European governments are doing - fear? They see whathappens to people who criticise islam. That’s why the islamisation of Europe continues apace: Everyone’s afraid of being beheaded. The weak-willed governments think they will be spared if they do some extra grovelling. Sadly, that’s not how it works.
There is no “radical” islam. There is just islam. It is what it is.
“How many people in the world today are currently under 24 hour police protection, hiding from christian fundamentalists?”
Abortion doctors in the US?
Yes, how many? And are they hiding because the US constitution says that abortion doctors are fair game and in fact their killers will get rewarded for killing them instead of standing trial?
There’s no point in arguing about this.
You can go on blissfully notching up abortion doctors, Chinese suppression of Tibetans, Catholic pedophile priests; (in fact I don’t know why you bring them up as I have never defended any atrocity whether in the name of religion or not) it doesn’t change the fact that islam is a murderous warlord ideology which has one and only one purpose: To make everyone in the world submit to it. How many times do the muslims themselves have to tell you this before you believe it?
Great company you keep.
Dhimmi coward Max: let’s just keep quiet to appease the slaves of Allah.
Loony leftist Pete: let’s pretend there is such a thing as “moderate” Islam.
Abu Ab:
Oi, don’t call Pete a loony. Let’s have a civilised discussion here. (Another thing that elevates us above the head-slashers.)
I don’t think everybody reading my blog is familiar with the various muslim phrases which we who follow their doings closely have become all too intimate with, like “dhimmi.” Could you guest blog a quick summary of these words please?
“it doesn’t change the fact that islam is a murderous warlord ideology which has one and only one purpose: To make everyone in the world submit to it.”
Actually it wouldn’t bother me even if this was true, because in my experience most Arabs are moderates who don’t read the Koran so literally, and I have spent time in Gaza and the West Bank, among other places.
Anyway let’s look to the future. Who shall we demonize when we’ve killed all the Muslims? Remember, whichever group we choose must be very unphotogenic, so our media can dehumanize them more easily.
Who said anything about killing them? That’s their department. As I said, there’s no point in arguing about this - we’ll just get more deeply entrenched in our views.
Let me just say this once and for all: When a certain group follows a book written 1600 years ago more than the law in the country in which they’ve decided to settle, and when that book says I must be killed if I don’t want to submit to its teachings, and when its clergy teaches children in every place of worship that I must be killed, I’m not going to agree with, defend or apologise for that group.
If it doesn’t bother you, that’s good for you. It bothers me a great deal. But then you are a man of course, and therefore above me in every way.
Unless I type here… now I’m below you again!
Ha ha, now we can’t have that, can we? That would be culturally insensitive.
EDITOR’S WARNING: THE LINK CONTAINS A GRAPHIC AND VERY DISTURBING IMAGE
Look here for a succinct description of the Islamic nomenclature.
If it doesn’t bother you, Pete, then why not relocate to Gaza or the West Bank to be with your beloved Arab brothers for good to prove how humane and non-racist inclusive you are? You wouldn’t want to stay where you are and spout platitudes, would you? That would be hypocritical and racist against the Arabs.
Well, you sound like a wonderful peace-loving chap. If only we could all follow your good example, eh?
(Take a look at Abu’s blog to see what I mean — he links to the BNP, amongst others)
Right, as opposed to following your example of living in your little safe liberal Oriental dream world, protected by the brute might of the mono-racial conservative Chinese nation and making a buck from selling the exoticism of the mono-culture of the mono-racial Chinese. Something seems missing… Maybe you can help out this poor knuckle-dragging BNP goon. I think it’s called div.. divers… die-verse… something or rather, you know, African cannibals swinging machetes at each other to protect their drug turfs, Pakis tossing acid into the faces of their baby machines and hunting down lone White children in packs, that sort of delightful things.
Some cakes to go with your jasmine tea, Marie Antoinette?
All right, so a lot of subtle sarcasm here. Pete, this isn’t about muslims bad or good, it’s about free speech. That’s what the Wilders trial is all about.
In his film Fitna he has merely taken excerpts from the koran (I won’t honour that death-mongering book with a capital letter) and shown what it tells its adherents to do to us, the infidel. Among other things. For this he is put on trial by the same people who believe in free speech, vilified by people who are supposed to believe in democracy, and put on the death-list of the jihadists who went to live in his country because it could offer them a better deal.
(He only quoted the book: Does that mean they don’t agree with what’s in the book they follow so scrupulously?)
It must be a strange book indeed when the followers of it can quote it at liberty when they want to for example kill women who talk to men they’re not related to, hang men who happen to be attracted to men and mutilate girls so they’ll never feel sexual pleasure, but can not be quoted or mentioned by the people already living in the countries where these throwbacks to the middle ages choose to settle.
My blog entry was about free speech being on trial.
It will be a sad day for Europe and the rest of the free world if quoting from a book already published in I don’t know how many volumes, is an offence.
Pete and Max: This is what it’s about. Free speech: The thing from which we all ultimately make a living.